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The major motion picture "Kinsey", starring Liam Neesen and Chris O'Donnell,
opened on November 12th. It purports to be an accurate portrayal of the life
and work of Dr. Alfred Kinsey (1894-1956), the famed sex researcher whose
work has had an incredible influence on attitudes toward sexual mores
IgnatiusInsight.com spoke about Kinsey, his work, and his influence with
Dr. Benjamin D.
Wiker prior to the opening of the movie. Dr. Wiker is co-author, with
Dr. Donald De Marco, of Architects of the Culture of Death (Ignatius
Press, 2004) and a Lecturer in Science and Theology at Franciscan University.
He is also the author of Moral Darwinism (InterVarsity).
WARNING: Some of the material discussed in this
interview is not suitable for younger readers.
IgnatiusInsight.com: Who was Alfred Kinsey and what is he known for?
Benjamin Wiker: Well, interestingly enough, who Alfred Kinsey
was and what he was known for are two very different things. Lets
begin with the latter. Kinsey was known as the great scientist of sex,
the man who fearlessly and dispassionately sorted out the true nature
of our sexuality from the false, unscientific beliefs that have for so
long hidden the truth from us. The standard picture of Kinsey depicted
during his lifetime was the dour scientist dressed in a lab coat, patiently
sorting through reams of data with his equally reputable and objective
That picture of Kinsey does not reveal who Kinsey really was, however.
In fact, such pictures were carefully staged by Kinsey and his "research"
team as part of their ongoing propaganda campaign. Behind the scenes,
we find the real Kinsey: a homosexual and a sado-masochist, bent on using
the trappings of science to force his perversions upon society.
IgnatiusInsight.com: Why do you think a movie would be made
of his life? Do you think there is a particular message or agenda held
by the makers of the film?
Wiker: We have just seen in the presidential election that the culture
is seriously divided. Part of the culture has been pushing pro-homosexual,
sexual freedom agenda. No one doubts where Hollywood lines up on these
issues. They have been using their immense resources for some time, along
with the other liberal-dominated media, to compel Americans to accept
every sexual deviation as natural and good. Of course, in doing so, they
were only following Kinseys lead, and so we should not be surprised
that they would make a movie lionizing Kinsey as their prophet and martyr.
We can expect the message of the movie to be something like this: Kinsey
the persecuted homosexual fights fearlessly to throw off the chains of
sexual repression, but dies a kind of martyr who selflessly sacrificed
himself for those who would come after.
IgnatiusInsight.com: What was the relationship between Kinsey's
private life and his influential studies?
Wiker: The sole purpose of Kinseys various studies was to legitimate
any and every kind of sexual activity, from adultery and homosexuality,
to pedophilia and bestiality. Kinsey himself was, from his very early
youth, a sado-masochistic homosexual. His father, Alfred Sr., was a staunch,
no-nonsense Protestant who ran the household with an iron fist. Of course,
young Alfred hid his sexual perversions from his father, and the contradiction
between his outward moral uprightness and his inward, hidden sexual distortions
caused him great anxiety. But by the time he went to graduate school,
Kinsey was determined to use science to eliminate this anxiety. How? By
eliminating the distinction between natural and unnatural in regard to
sexuality. He wanted to use science to "prove" that every sexual
desire, no matter how bizarre, is natural.
IgnatiusInsight.com: What have been some of the more serious
charges brought against Kinsey's research, methodologies, and goals?
Wiker: To take up on the last point, Kinsey began with the
belief that every sexual desire is natural, and that it is only society
that labels things like adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, and bestiality
as unnatural. Therefore, he would gather "sexual data" precisely
from those people who engaged in such practices. For example, rather than
gather data from the population at large, Kinsey preferred to interview
prison sex offenders. This method would be akin to interviewing convicted
thieves on what they think of private property, or serial killers about
the sanctity of life.
IgnatiusInsight.com: In the trailer for "Kinsey" the researcher is
shown saying to an unseen research subject: "I've learned that the gap
between what we assume people do sexually and what they actually do is
enormous." Does this reflect the findings of objective research or Kinsey's
Wiker: First and foremost, Kinseys personal bias. As biographer
James Jones points out, Kinsey long believed that human beings were naturally
"pansexual," that is, they had no natural goalsuch as
heterosexualitybut if left to themselves in a kind of state of nature
would satisfy their sexual desires in whatever way happened to strike
their fancies. Society restricts this natural pansexuality, causing individuals
all kinds of anxiety. Kinsey therefore believed that while we assume that
people follow societys sexual rules, they secretly want to act upon
their natural pansexuality, and very often do. This deviation from social
sexual rulesbe it in adultery or homosexualityis really not
a deviation at all, but our natural, pansexuality reasserting itself.
Kinseys mode of argument was then quite simple, and the logic of
it went something like this: we assume that X is abnormal; but we have
found out that X occurs all the time; what occurs all the time cannot
be abnormal, therefore it must really be normal; what is normal is also
natural, and what is natural cannot be wrong.
IgnatiusInsight.com: In another scene in the trailer, a character
(apparently sympathetic to Kinsey's work) exclaims, "The enforcers of
chastity are massing once again." How might the movie try to make connections
between the 1940s/50s and modern day conflicts over sexual mores?
Wiker: Weve all seen the recent surge to sanction gay marriage.
Kinsey is an especially useful figure to support this effort. He has the
status of a venerable scientist; he can be promoted as a martyr. And the
lesson Hollywood wants us to draw is quite simple: the "enforcers
of chastity" belong to the forces of darkness. How long, O how
long, must they rule over us (sympathetic violins playing in the background).
IgnatiusInsight.com: A preview
review of the movie on the MSNBC site states: "For a movie so frank
and explicit, 'Kinsey' has a soft spirit. Violins swell. The warmth of
the Kinsey's unconventional marriage shines through. It's easy to imagine
an edgier movie, but 'Kinsey' is a celebration of diversity; it's about
the solace knowledge can bring." How does that compare with the reality
of Kinsey's life and work?
Wiker: Ah yes, the violins. Well, Kinseys marriage will surely
not be portrayed as it was, and therefore we can forget about getting
any "solace knowledge can bring." Will they show Kinsey talking
his wife into having sex with his homosexual bedmates? And then theres
the little matter of the pornographic films. Kinseys Institute spent
much of its time filming its staff of "scientists," including
Kinsey, having homosexual sex with each other, masturbating, and engaging
in sado-masochistic acts. Kinseys wife Clara was pushedfor
the sake of science, of courseinto "acting" in these sexually
sordid films. Will they show his wife having to engage in every manner
of sexual perversion, both alone and with others, in front of Kinseys
camera? I doubt they will.
IgnatiusInsight.com: The MSNBC review claims: "It was his own
sexual problems with his new wife, Clara , that first got [Kinsey] thinking
[about sexual behaviors]." Is that accurate? Why or why not?
Wiker: No, not at all. Kinsey engaged in horribly distorted homosexual
sado-masochism from the time he was a youth. After he graduated from Harvard,
he landed a job at Indiana University. At the time, he was a bachelor,
but being a bachelor for too long would bring suspicion upon Kinsey. Kinsey
needed a wife. He soon met and married Clara Bracken McMillen, an intelligent,
boyish-looking chemistry student. Of course, he did not reveal his homosexuality
until much after the wedding. Clara did have a physical defect that affected
her sexuality, but that was taken care of by surgery. The real problem
with the marriage lay in getting Clara to accept his homosexuality. Apparently
she did so dutifully.
IgnatiusInsight.com: The Kinsey Institute web site
poses the question, "How has the data held up, over 50 years later?"
and responds, in part, by saying that a 1979 study validated Kinsey's
original research: "Interestingly, most statistics, such as homosexual
behavior, did not change significantly from the original reports." Are
there any problems with this statement in light of more recent studies
that indicate homosexuals make up 1-3% of the population, as opposed to
Kinsey's famous claim of 10%?
Wiker: As is now clear, Kinsey inflated the data, and he did so precisely
because he didnt care about scientific truth first and foremost,
but only about his sexual agenda. For Kinsey, science must be bent to
serve that agenda, and data inflation was the best way to do it. As was
said above, Kinsey interviewed sex offenders to find out what was normal
in regard to sexuality. Even worse, Kinsey flooded the interview pool
not only with convicted sex offenders but also several hundred male prostitutes.
Hardly "objective" research.
In another respect, however, Kinseys data have held upnot
because the data represent the truth, but because they his "results"
have largely remained unchallenged.
IgnatiusInsight.com: What about Kinseys association with
Wiker: In the Kinsey report (consisting of two books, the Male
and Female reports), Kinsey argued at length for the legitimization
of pedophilia. Like bestiality and homosexuality, pedophilia was, according
to Kinsey, natural. The only problem with pedophilia is caused by the
hysterical reactions of those who think it is unnatural. "It is difficult
to understand why a child, except for its cultural conditioning, should
be disturbed at having its genitalia touched, or disturbed at seeing the
genitalia of other persons, or disturbed at even more specific sexual
contacts," states Kinsey in the Female report. In sum, Kinsey
actively promoted pedophilia as natural.
In his reports, Kinsey offered quite explicit data on pedophilia, including
the effect of sexual acts performed on children ranging all the way down
to six months old. Where did he get this data? In part, from a man of
epic sexual perversions, who had had sex with over 800 preadolescents,
as well as with 33 of his relatives (including his grandmother and father)
and animals of many different species. We also suspect that Kinsey did
his own "studies" at his Institute at Indiana University, but
we will not know until the archives (including all his films) are opened
to the public. One wonders how much of this will make it into the film?
IgnatiusInsight.com: What do you think is Kinsey's true legacy?
Wiker: He is one of the great architects of the culture of death,
a man who saw his liberation in the destruction of every sexual restriction,
and who methodically misused science to achieve his goal. Sadly, too many
people didnt see through his ruse, or worse, were happy to join
his revolution, and his studies have, almost single-handedly, formed the
foundation for contemporary sex education. Is it any wonder that we are
now experiencing the darkness of sexual chaos in our society?
Related article: "Deadly
Architects", a two-part interview with Wiker and Dr. Donald
Wiker, Ph.D., is a Lecturer in Science and Theology at Franciscan
University and a Senior Fellow with Discovery Institute, focusing on Intelligent
He has contributed to various Catholic publications and
writes regularly for Crisis magazine, and is the author of Moral
Visit him online at www.benjaminwiker.com.
of the Culture of Death
Authors: Donald, Benjamin / DeMarco, Wiker
Length: 410 pages
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The Culture of Death has become a popular phrase, and is much
bandied about in academic circles. Yet, for most people, its meaning remains
vague and remote. DeMarco and Wiker have given the Culture of Death high
definition and frightening immediacy. They have exposed its roots by introducing
its architects. In a scholarly, yet reader-friendly delineation
of the mindsets of twenty-three influential thinkers, such as Ayn Rand,
Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, Jean-Paul Sartre, Alfred Kinsey, Margaret Sanger,
Jack Kevorkian, and Peter Singer, they make clear the aberrant thought and
malevolent intentions that have shaped the Culture of Death.
Still, this is not a book without hope. If the Culture of Death rests on
a fragmented view of the person and an eclipse of God, hope for the Culture
of Life rests on an understanding and restoration of the human being
as a person, and the rediscovery of a benevolent God. The Personalism
of John Paul II is an illuminating thread that runs through Architects,
serving as a hopeful antidote.
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