Reading T.S. Eliotıs Four Quartets | An Interview with
Dr. Thomas Howard | April 2, 2006
Reading T.S. Eliots Four Quartets | An Interview with Dr. Thomas
Howard | April 2, 2006
T.S. Eliot is considered by many to be the most important and influential
poet of the 20th century and his Four Quartets is perhaps his finest
poem and greatest literary achievement. Dove
Descending is a journey into the beauties and depths of Eliot's
masterpiece written by Dr. Thomas Howard, bestselling author, professor
In his line-by-line commentary, Howard unravels the complexities of the
sublime poem with such adept adroitness that even its most difficult passages
spring to life. During his many years as a professor of English and Literature,
Howard taught many classes about Four Quartets and developed what
he calls "a reading" approach to its concepts that renders the poems
meaning more lucid for the reader. Dove Descending reunites the brilliant
insights of a master teacher whose understanding and love of Eliots
writings are shared here for the great benefit of the reader.
Dove Descending is the first in-depth exposition of Eliot's masterwork
ever published and the fruit of Howard's many years of teaching Eliot and
his unique understanding of the complexities of the great poem. It is a
must-have book for fans of T. S Eliot, and anyone who wants to understand
his greatest work.
Carl E. Olson, editor of IgnatiusInsight.com, recently interviewed Dr. Howard
about his book, Eliot, and Four Quartets.
IgnatiusInsight.com: When was your first encounter with the poetry of T.S.
Eliot? What was your impression of it? What attracted you to it?
Thomas Howard: I think my first real encounter with Eliot's poetry occurred
during my doctoral studies at New York University. I signed up for
a course in his work. It was all extraordinarily demanding, but turned
out to be glorious. My first impression, like everyone else's, was
of almost impenetrable difficulty. But as I read on (very slowly)
it was as though an enormous sunrise swam into view.
IgnatiusInsight.com: How did Eliot, via his poetry and critical works, influence
other poets and writers? What has been his impact on poetry?
Howard: Eliot had a vast influence for several decades in the English-speaking
world, during which he enjoyed an eminence that few writers achieve during
their lifetime. But it gradually dawned on the academic world and
the world of the arts that Eliot was extolling an unabashedly Christian
vision of things, and he was virtually exiled from English departments.
He said things that the 20th century did not at all like to hear, most notably
that undiluted Christian orthodoxy judges the whole modern enterprise.
IgnatiusInsight.com: Why should Eliot be read today?
Howard: Why read Eliot now? Because he speaks of what he called
"the permanent things."
IgnatiusInsight.com: How would you describe the significance and value of
Four Quartets? Is this poem a good place to first meet Eliot for
those who haven't read his work before?
Howard: In my opinion, Four Quartets should take its place with
other monuments that bespeak the Christian vision, e.g., Dante's work, Chartres
cathedral, Bach's B-minor Mass, Mozart's Requiem, and van
Eyck's painting of The Adoration of the Mystic Lamb. But there
is no easy "starting point" for one approaching Eliot's work. It is
as difficult as scaling Everestand at least as rewarding. But a new
reader needs some help.
IgnatiusInsight.com: Why did you write Dove Descending? What sort
of approach do you take to the poem?
Howard: I wrote Dove Descending because I loved Four Quartets,
I knew people found it almost impossible to understand, and I wanted to
give them some help in entering the almost unimaginably glorious precincts
of Eliot's vision.
IgnatiusInsight.com: Could you discuss briefly a specific section or line
in Four Quartets that provides a good example of Eliot's style, approach,
or use of imagery?
Howard: One suggestive line from Four Quartets might be:
". . . the still point of the turning world." Here Eliot draws
us, in his inexorable way, to the center of things, around which whirl all
of the distractions which we all pursue in order to avoid coming to terms
with sheer, implacable Reality. He speaks also of our being "distracted
by distraction from distraction."
IgnatiusInsight.com: There are many commentaries about "The Wasteland,"
Eliot's first great poem. Why haven't many (or any) been written about Four
Quartets? Does this reflect a bias against the Christian Eliot as opposed
to the pre-Christian Eliot?
Howard: Eliot's early poem "The Waste Land" made him (everyone felt)
the spokesman for our 20th century angst, which was breathlessly
fashionable: how beleaguered we modern men all are with the ambiguities
of existence, etc, etc, etc. Years later he wrote what is in my opinion
his magnum opus, the Four Quartets. But this poem draws
us to the center of the Christian mysteries, and most people don't want
to trouble themselves with all of that. Hence the (probably) more
enduring interest of the earlier poem, although I would not be surprised
to learn that even "The Waste Land" is no longer read, since Eliot and all
of his works are very un-politically-correct, in the view of contemporary
academia and the intelligentsia.
IgnatiusInsight.com: How would you describe Eliot's views of classical poetry
and of modern poetry? Is Eliot the modern poet?
Howard: Eliot, of course, had his sensibilities formed by traditional
poetry. But he felt that each epoch must speak in the patois,
so to speak, of its own time, and hence the poetry of the 20th century could
not simply take up l7th or l9th century ways of saying things poetically.
I suppose that he liked the conventions of modern poetry, and knew that
he had no choice in the matter. He could not copy Tennyson, Wordsworth,
or even Dante. He had to do what they did, namely, speak in the language
of their own times. In my view Eliot is indeed the Modern Poet.
But that would be the view of an almost invisible minority.
IgnatiusInsight.com: After all of your years of studying and reading it,
what brings you back to Four Quartets?
Howard: What brings me back to Eliot? The same thing that brings
me back to Sacred Scripture (although I do not suppose that Eliot is inspired
in the same way). He speaks of "the permanent things," which we all
ignore to our everlasting peril.
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Howard was raised in a prominent Evangelical home (his sister is well-known
author and former missionary Elisabeth Elliot), became Episcopalian in his
mid-twenties, then entered the Catholic Church in 1985, at the age of fifty.
Howard is a highly acclaimed writer and scholar, noted for his studies of
Inklings C.S. Lewis (
Narnia & Beyond: A Guide to the Fiction of C.S. Lewis [2006,
1987]) and Charles Williams (The Novels of Charles Williams ),
as well as books including Christ the Tiger (1967), Chance or
the Dance? (1969), Hallowed be This House (1976),
Evangelical is Not Enough (1984),
If Your Mind Wanders at Mass (1995),
On Being Catholic (1997),
The Secret of New York Revealed, and
Lead, Kindly Light: My Journey to Rome, the story of his embrace
of Catholicism. His new book is Dove
Descending: A Journey Into T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets. Read more
about and by Thomas Howard here.
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