Dawkins' Delusions | An interview with Fr. Thomas Crean, O.P., author of "God Is
No Delusion: A Refutation of Richard Dawkins" | IgnatiusInsight.com
Dawkins' Delusions | An interview with Fr. Thomas Crean, O.P., author of
God Is No Delusion: A
Refutation of Richard Dawkins | February 14, 2008
In God Is No Delusion, Father Thomas Crean, O.P. takes on the claims of
biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion. He examines Dawkins' "argument from complexity,"
his attacks on miracles and the Gospels, his inconsistent understanding of
morality, and his notions of the origins of religion. "Fr. Crean is an
excellent tutor" whose book exhibits "splendid lucidity," observes Dr. Thomas
Howard. And Dr. Joseph Shaw, who teaches philosophy at Oxford University,
praises Father Crean's book for being "calm and reflective, patient and
Carl E. Olson, editor of Ignatius Insight, recently interviewed Father Crean about his book, Dawkins,
and atheism at large.
Ignatius Insight: Why did you decide to
write a book-length response to Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion?
Fr. Crean: Normally I think it is better to leave extreme anti-Catholic or
anti-theistic tracts unanswered, both to avoid giving them greater publicity
and because they tend to undermine themselves more effectively than any
Catholic apologist could undermine them, by their crassness or self-contradictions.
Richard Dawkins's work, however, seemed to call for some reply. It was already
very well-publicized, so it seemed unlikely that I should win it a wider
circulation, and its author is a fairly well-known public figure.
He has, for example, a
professorship at Oxford University dedicated to promoting "the public
understanding of science", and he has also presented a television series
attacking religion. In particular I was prompted to write a reply by seeing his
book displayed in the most prominent place in the shop window of the main
bookshop in Cambridge, near where I live. Whenever I passed this book-shop, I
saw this challenge to our faith, and I was put in mind of the Philistine
Goliath taunting the armies of Israel to come and do combat...
Ignatius Insight: Dawkins' field of
expertise is biology. How would you rate him as, first, a philosopher, and,
secondly, as an apologist for atheism?
Fr. Crean: I do not think he is very interested in philosophy. He refers
occasionally to Daniel Dennett, but that is about all. He seems to take
materialism as self-evident, but he doesn't make any serious effort to explain
thought or free will. He refers at one point to St. Thomas's "five ways", but
his discussion of them is extremely cursory, with major misunderstandings.
There is no mention of Plato or Aristotle in his book. His impatience with
"religion"is such that he is not really disposed to weigh carefully any
arguments in its favor, which is obviously the very reverse of a philosophical
frame of mind.
As an apologist for atheism
he has some useful qualities, such as passion, a tone of conviction, a desire
to make converts, ready invective and an apparent concern for the psychological
(I almost said "spiritual") welfare of those whom he is trying to convert. On
the other hand his stridency must surely reduce his influence with some people,
and his lapses of logic with others.
Ignatius Insight: Throughout God Is No
Delusion you point out
numerous errors of logic and fact in Dawkins' work. In your opinion, what are
some of the most egregious of those errors? Based on his book, what sort of
research did Dawkins put into studying Christian history, theology, and
Fr. Crean: I think one of his worst faults is the tendency to reason in a
circle. For example, to explain why religion is so widespread even though in
his opinion it is irrational, he says that it is evolutionarily useful. Why?
Because it helps survival if, in general, one tends to adhere to the philosophy
if life that one has once adopted. But the question at issue is precisely why
so many people adopt theism as their philosophy of life, rather than atheism.
So his explanation amounts to saying that theism is so widespread because
so many people adopt it.
I suspect that he did very little research into
Christian sources before writing his book. He quotes occasionally from the 1911
Catholic Encyclopedia, which is
of course available on the Internet. Sometimes his misunderstandings of it are
quite funny, as when he quotes a passage in the entry on "Purgatory" called
"proofs of Purgatory", where the author has referred to the immemorial
Christian custom of praying for the dead. Professor Dawkins seriously supposes
that the author intended this as a 'proof' that would convince an atheist such
What is perhaps more
surprising is that he has not done more research using anti-Christian sources.
I should have expected that there would have been more about the Crusades, for
example, or the Inquisition. But in fact he doesn't seem to be very interested
in history, any more than in philosophy.
Ignatius Insight: What is the best argument
or point made by Dawkins?
Fr. Crean: An interesting question. I think that the most promising moment in his
book is in his chapter on the origin of morality. He tries to explain morality—which
he generally reduces to "altruism"—by the usual arguments from
evolutionary psychology, i.e. certain apparently self-denying actions
ultimately favor the replication of the genes of those who perform them. But at
one point he becomes dissatisfied with himself and writes that wherever such
tendencies may come from, there still needs to be some objective standard to
distinguish good and evil: for he also believes that evolution has planted some
unpleasant tendencies in human being, e.g., a tendency to xenophobia. He seems
to think that we have a duty to follow some of our tendencies and not others.
So he is on the brink of
admitting a transcendent source for morality; for a duty implies a lawgiver
outside ourselves. Unfortunately, the next moment he goes off at a tangent and
starts talking about the debate between utilitarians and their opponents, and
the question of where duty—as opposed to "good tendencies"—comes
from is not confronted.
Ignatius Insight: Why do you think books
such as The God Delusion
have been so popular? Is atheism actually growing? Or does it create news and
garner attention because authors such as Dawkins use polemical language and
thrive on creating controversy?
Fr. Crean: I think there is an inextricable relation between atheism, or more
generally, dislike for religion, and moral decline. The collapse of public
standards of morality makes people more prone to rejecting religion, and this
in turn leads to further attacks on morality. Works such as Dawkins' no doubt
do something to speed up this process, but a much greater responsibility would
seem to lie with law-makers and their failure to defend the Christian heritage
of society. Individual works of polemic (on either side) are ephemeral, but
laws are lasting.
Ignatius Insight: Have you read any of the
other recent books by the so-called "new atheists": Christopher
Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris?
Fr. Crean: I have not read any of their works, though I was briefly interviewed by
the BBC World Service, along with Christopher Hitchens. He did not want to talk
to me because I was a priest, so it was not easy to have a discussion with him.
Ignatius Insight: In terms of approach,
style, and content, how are the "new atheists" different from the popular
atheists of the early 20th-century, such as H.G. Wells, Bertrand Russell, and
George Bernard Shaw?
Fr. Crean: Bernard Shaw I think would not have considered himself an atheist,
though he did mock Christianity in some of his works. The most obvious
difference between someone such as Russell and what one may read today is
simply the higher level of virulence and invective which atheism has reached,
together with the complete abandonment of Christian morality. The writers of a
hundred years ago may have been no less hostile than modern writers, but since
society at large was so much more Christian, they had to restrain
themselves.There is almost no restraint in Professor Dawkins' writing. The
God Delusion would undoubtedly have
been banned as blasphemous a hundred years ago, and the author's views on
sexual morality would have excluded him from ordinary society.
Possibly another difference
is that the atheist writers of the past often promoted some form of
"utopianism", Socialist or other. They believed that if Christianity could be
expunged, the human race could enter a new era of peace and happiness. Wells at
least promoted such ideas at first, until the experience of two world wars led
him to write Mind at the end of its tether. I don't have the impression that utopianism is very fashionable among
Ignatius Insight: In addition to your book,
what are some basic resources for Catholics who want to be able to respond to
popular arguments made by atheists and skeptics?
Fr. Crean:There are so many sources, it is hard to know how to answer. As Dr
Johnson said, one can turn over a whole library to write a single book, or to
respond to a single book. Among the classic works are St. Augustine's City of
God, St. Thomas Aquinas's Summa
contra Gentiles, St. Robert
Bellarmine's Controversies, or
Pascal's Pensees. Among modern
works of apologetics, one that I esteem highly is called Apologetics and
Catholic Doctrine. It was written in
the 1930s by Archbishop Michael Sheehan, then updated about ten years ago by Fr.
Peter Joseph, an Australian priest. The updated version was printed by the
Saint Austin's Press, a small English publishing house, but unfortunately it
has gone out of print, and there are no plans that I know of to print any more.
(Perhaps Ignatius Press might consider buying the rights to it?) As for the Internet,
the Catholic Answers website is a useful resource.
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Atheism and the Purely "Human" Ethic | Fr. James V. Schall, S.J.
Evil? Secularism's Pride and Irrational Prejudice | Carl E. Olson
Introduction to Atheism | Carl E. Olson
Case for Christianity | An Interview with Richard Purtill
Paganism and the Conversion of C.S. Lewis | Clotilde Morhan
Designed Beauty and Evolutionary Theory | Fr. Thomas Dubay, S.M.
The Universe is Meaning-full | An interview
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The Mythological Conflict
Between Christianity and Science | An interview with Dr. Stephen Barr
The Source of Certitude | Fr. Thomas
Deadly Architects | An Interview with
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The Mystery of Human Origins | Mark Brumley
Relativism 101: A Brief, Objective Guide | Carl E. Olson
Fr. Thomas Crean is a Dominican friar of the Priory of St. Michael the Archangel, Cambridge.
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